Carl was one of the four hostages then became a spokesman and witness for the ministry in the trial that followed. Most importantly, he had stepped across the mental space from it could happen here into the reality that, it happened here.
In 1997 he began writing and researching as much as time would allow. In 1999 he began the Deadly Force Incident study. In 2005 he was part of the group that developed the Life Safety Ministry at New Life Church, then was there serving as part of the team who responded to a killer coming down their hallway in 2007.